Annan Plan

[Antioksidan]

Lots of editions, ideas, objections and two seperate referendums.

What do you want to say about this historical Plan? What are the points you support, what are the points you object to?

Let's have a good discussion.

[airwings]

In General the most 5 criticals points are:

1) It legitimized and continued the illegal Turkish occupation

2) It permitted fewer than half of the 200,000 refugees to return to their homes, and that only after three and one half years from now

3) Instead of uniting the country, the Annan Plan perpetuated the division, being, in all but name, a partition.

4) The 18% Turkish population of the island received 29% of the land and 50% of the valuable coastline

5) The Plan permitted all the 100,000 Turkish colonists illegally imported to Cyprus by occupation authorities to remain in homes confiscated from the Greeks.

[Antioksidan]

As you know, due to the bad events in the history, Turkish Cypriots are concerned about their security. So don't you think some of the precautions are necessary to be taken in order to provide an atmosphere of peace between the two communities?

And, I'll translate your post into Turkish so that our members who doesn't know English can read your views about Annan Plan, and maybe they would like to write something about that. Then I'll translate their post to English for you :74

[airwings]

Of course and as you see i damned.
The problem what happen now.
Nobody except a Plan that have changed several times in order to accepting from the Turkish Cypriot(TC )side.
The pressures on the Hellenic Cypriots(HC) to say YES were enormous, ranging from numerous phone calls by ex US Secretary Colin Powell to Cypriot and Hellenic politicians, to implied threats such as European Representative Javier Solana stating «the train is leaving; If the Cypriots do not take it, it may not come back», even 76 percent of them rejected the UN blueprint.
And what happen 1,5 half year later nothing .

As a Hellene citizen i had full information and what why the HC rejected the Annan Plan after 2 months

[Antioksidan]

Yes, we all know the pressure from the world and your rejection.

So, what do you think about a possible solution? Do you think it is still possible, or the north lands are lost from now on?

And, what type of a solution you and the most of the Greek community support?

[airwings]

PHP Kod:

So, what do you think about a possible solution? Do you think it is still possible, or the north lands are lost from now on? 


To start to discuss of the solution we must to decide of what kind of federation want.
In my opinion viable will be two independents states under of a federal administration.

But to go in this point both sides must agreeing in the:

1-Withdraw all the non-Cyprus military Forces. Each federation maintains its own safety units or the remaining Turkish troops must be equal with the HC armed forces. And the time must be not longer from the two years.
2-Withdraw of the Turkish colonists that established in the last 10years at least.
3-Permission of the refuges to take back their occupied fortune
4-All the above plus the federal political issues (common decisions, funds e.t.c.) must monitored from the UN (political issues) and EU (financial issues), because both sides after the agreement will be member of them.

PHP Kod:

And, what type of a solution you and the most of the Greek community support? 


These are mine general ideas from a Hellene not from a Cypress.

[Antioksidan]

Maybe some of them can be accepted by both TC and Turkish community but, what kind of an administration do the Hellenic people want? I mean, do you object to the veto right of TC?

ευχαριστίες

[airwings]

You see we have the first disagreement. You call the colonists community and the HC side will never accept, not even to discuss it and this was one from the major reason of the rejection Annan plan.
The Federal administration will be unique only for this issue. The administrator will not to be a government.
Simply an enacted consultation of corresponding government owned bodies. Each state will have its own government policy, own economy and own share from the EU financing.
And this will be the 3rd step in a future solution.

Both sides must understand if they want peace with the EU benefit or the remaining status (HC to taking all the benefits from the EU but with dividing island and the TC the opposite think)

επίσης και ανταποδίδω

[Antioksidan]

I didn't call so-called "colonists" as community. The real Turkish Cypriot community and the Turkish Community in Turkey I mentioned. Because, The procedure of an agreement depends on the acceptance of the Turkish government thus The Turkish Community

The style of administration you mentioned sounds good but, can you possibly explain what will the main role of the federal government be. And at this stage, with two seperate states and governments, won't the HC community say that the island is really divided?

[airwings]

As I told you the role of the administration will be completely an enacted consultation of the two states without any processing role.

Both Cypress communities (HC,TC), Turkey and Hellas must face the truth.
The Hellenic Side must understand that the final solution is a “divided” island under the umbrella of the EU.
The Turkish Side must decide to follow the present rules of the globalization that said no “hot zones” , no threads and that meaning no Military Occupation, free financial zone and the entrance in the EU.

BTW are you believed to the entrance of Turkey in the EU or are against?
Just Yes or No because i know will go out of the topic